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Colie 1 day ago
#7 Heaven? He's burning in Hell!
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Trina 2 hours ago
Colie,
Possibly... based on your world view 100+ years after the fact. It's amazing how quickly people judge a person long after they have died politically, sexually, philosophically, and religiously. I would posit that unless you lived in the same decades, with similar news accessability, and specifically talked to Jackson, you don't understand his point of view, or why he believed the things he did.
Human nature is such that we tend to extrapolate beliefs and behaviors to those we see as similar both racially and what we tend to see philosophically. And while atrocities happen on both sides of nearly all conflicts, if the predominant news you hear are about Indian Massacres, you tend to group all of them regardless of tribe. The Sioux were not the Navajo, and only after years of living with and studying native Americans would the British and then American predominantly white societies begin to realize this. In a similar point of view, not all white Christian "invaders" are the same... compare the pilgrims and the Amish to the Anglicans or Catholics. Some are fairly pacifist... but as a native American where your news is 100% word of mouth, it only takes a couple British/American slaughters of natives to see all of them as violent cultish fanatics.
Were the Indian wars and segregation onto reservations a bad thing... absolutely. Was Genocide committed? NO!!!! Surely Americans encroached and claimed land that was not theirs... but they didn't conquer the natives to get it. Most of it was abandoned because the natives lost 90+% of their population due to European diseases, (smallpox, bubonic plague, syphilis, etc) So there was relatively little conflict as many European refugees came to claim abandoned land. The conflicts that did occur were exceptionally newsworthy as they were reported as "massacres" or "slaughters" regardless of who won.
My grandfather was an amazing man... but he was pretty racist about Asians and when I brought my Singapore girlfriend home for Christmas, he didn't approve. His initial and knee jerk reaction was dislike... until I explained to him that her country was on our side in WWII and was occupied by Japan until it was liberated. Here again... all he saw was Asian, but Japanese are very much different than Chinese, and Koreans, and Mongols, and Singaporeans and Malay etc etc. He finally admitted he was still pissed off about Pearl Harbor... long before me or my father were borne.
So unless you lived in his time, and talked to him personally... I'd hesitate to condemn anyone who died before you were borne... based on what we know now.
Possibly... based on your world view 100+ years after the fact. It's amazing how quickly people judge a person long after they have died politically, sexually, philosophically, and religiously. I would posit that unless you lived in the same decades, with similar news accessability, and specifically talked to Jackson, you don't understand his point of view, or why he believed the things he did.
Human nature is such that we tend to extrapolate beliefs and behaviors to those we see as similar both racially and what we tend to see philosophically. And while atrocities happen on both sides of nearly all conflicts, if the predominant news you hear are about Indian Massacres, you tend to group all of them regardless of tribe. The Sioux were not the Navajo, and only after years of living with and studying native Americans would the British and then American predominantly white societies begin to realize this. In a similar point of view, not all white Christian "invaders" are the same... compare the pilgrims and the Amish to the Anglicans or Catholics. Some are fairly pacifist... but as a native American where your news is 100% word of mouth, it only takes a couple British/American slaughters of natives to see all of them as violent cultish fanatics.
Were the Indian wars and segregation onto reservations a bad thing... absolutely. Was Genocide committed? NO!!!! Surely Americans encroached and claimed land that was not theirs... but they didn't conquer the natives to get it. Most of it was abandoned because the natives lost 90+% of their population due to European diseases, (smallpox, bubonic plague, syphilis, etc) So there was relatively little conflict as many European refugees came to claim abandoned land. The conflicts that did occur were exceptionally newsworthy as they were reported as "massacres" or "slaughters" regardless of who won.
My grandfather was an amazing man... but he was pretty racist about Asians and when I brought my Singapore girlfriend home for Christmas, he didn't approve. His initial and knee jerk reaction was dislike... until I explained to him that her country was on our side in WWII and was occupied by Japan until it was liberated. Here again... all he saw was Asian, but Japanese are very much different than Chinese, and Koreans, and Mongols, and Singaporeans and Malay etc etc. He finally admitted he was still pissed off about Pearl Harbor... long before me or my father were borne.
So unless you lived in his time, and talked to him personally... I'd hesitate to condemn anyone who died before you were borne... based on what we know now.
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Gerhardt 1 day ago
Amazing how many spoke of God and Country. Men of character, honor, and substance.
Not like the hypocrisy and atheistic, shallow men of today.
USA HAD a honorable beginning (flawed in many ways, but honorable.)
Not like the hypocrisy and atheistic, shallow men of today.
USA HAD a honorable beginning (flawed in many ways, but honorable.)
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Becca 1 day ago
Gerhardt, But 47 sells a Bible made in China for $99 apiece. Doesn't THAT count? 
Possibly... based on your world view 100+ years after the fact. It's amazing how quickly people judge a person long after they have died politically, sexually, philosophically, and religiously. I would posit that unless you lived in the same decades, with similar news accessability, and specifically talked to Jackson, you don't understand his point of view, or why he believed the things he did.
Human nature is such that we tend to extrapolate beliefs and behaviors to those we see as similar both racially and what we tend to see philosophically. And while atrocities happen on both sides of nearly all conflicts, if the predominant news you hear are about Indian Massacres, you tend to group all of them regardless of tribe. The Sioux were not the Navajo, and only after years of living with and studying native Americans would the British and then American predominantly white societies begin to realize this. In a similar point of view, not all white Christian "invaders" are the same... compare the pilgrims and the Amish to the Anglicans or Catholics. Some are fairly pacifist... but as a native American where your news is 100% word of mouth, it only takes a couple British/American slaughters of natives to see all of them as violent cultish fanatics.
Were the Indian wars and segregation onto reservations a bad thing... absolutely. Was Genocide committed? NO!!!! Surely Americans encroached and claimed land that was not theirs... but they didn't conquer the natives to get it. Most of it was abandoned because the natives lost 90+% of their population due to European diseases, (smallpox, bubonic plague, syphilis, etc) So there was relatively little conflict as many European refugees came to claim abandoned land. The conflicts that did occur were exceptionally newsworthy as they were reported as "massacres" or "slaughters" regardless of who won.
My grandfather was an amazing man... but he was pretty racist about Asians and when I brought my Singapore girlfriend home for Christmas, he didn't approve. His initial and knee jerk reaction was dislike... until I explained to him that her country was on our side in WWII and was occupied by Japan until it was liberated. Here again... all he saw was Asian, but Japanese are very much different than Chinese, and Koreans, and Mongols, and Singaporeans and Malay etc etc. He finally admitted he was still pissed off about Pearl Harbor... long before me or my father were borne.
So unless you lived in his time, and talked to him personally... I'd hesitate to condemn anyone who died before you were borne... based on what we know now.
Not like the hypocrisy and atheistic, shallow men of today.
USA HAD a honorable beginning (flawed in many ways, but honorable.)